Welcome to the Love Sex and Leadership podcast where you can discover simple tonic teachings to embody your true power, awaken your soul's wisdom and live an inspired life as a natural intuitive and heart centered leader. Hello, everyone. Hello, I'm here with my dear friend Malika. We're going to, in this edition of Conversations with Queens. I'm really enjoying this whole podcast series. It's quite fun having amazing conversations with very powerful women stepping in and being queens in this world. And this whole conversation today is really about self love and learning how and knowing how to love this body temple. And, you know, I think out of the whole human experience, the journey of self love, it's always the one I always go back to. It's like if I'm not loving myself, like things are pretty hard to get anywhere. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's kind of, you know, the, the mess we're in, in the, in the world right now. I think it's, if we cultivated a culture that was based in self love, you know, we wouldn't be in half the mess that we're in right now and that's what we're all coming back to you. Know, and so I know for you, you've been in this field of transformation of dance of, you know, and I love seeing you on the dance floor as well as a DJ. Like every time I feel you in this community here in OO but also in the world we've seen each other a number of times I just feel this, this exuding essence of, of love, love and care and also like just really being in, in your queendom and, and very with a lot of integrity and clarity is just some what every time I felt you through the years and in our interactions and like there's a place of, of non judgment that meets an individual where they are without being too overpowering, but really just meeting them with that compassionate, loving part. And I love that you're a mother and a grandmother and you bring that wisdom into interaction. So yeah, it's a joy to, to have this dialogue with you. Well, thank you so much for inviting me to be here and be part of this because uh yeah, it's really exciting and I think uh the more we share these wisdoms and knowledge for the up and coming next generations. And uh yeah, and the better world it is gonna be for my grandchildren and our children's Children. That's what it's always all, all about. So and so like you'll be sharing in the integrated feminine symposium, leave your workshops on the wild woman awakening and the wild woman awakening. We won't go too much into that today because that's going to be for her workshop offering of the symposium. But if you want to find out more about that throughout this talk, just go to the integrated feminine.com. You can comment below or send me a message and we can give you a coupon code as well to support you and showing up and yeah, but today let's let's talk about self love. So what is, what is self love people that are like, OK, I've heard this concept, self love. What does this mean? I was thinking about it this morning. You know, I was, I was bathing my cat, you know, giving my cat a bath, which he didn't really enjoy so, so much. But just, you know, this, this for me, this concept of the wild woman for me is the concept of coming back to our authentic and natural self. So, you know, having had Children and having, you know, small Children in my life again with my grandchildren around, you know, you watch Children and they just naturally are in their bodies and you know, they're, they're, they're so authentic in their expression. One minute, they're laughing the next minute they're crying the next minute they're, you know, scratching their genitals or playing with them and you know, there's no shit there, there's just an absolute naturalness in, in their, in their bodies and then somewhere through the conditioning of the human being, whether it comes from our, well, it does, it comes from our parents, it comes from society, it comes from our teachers. It comes from the religion we're born into, you know, all these things they, they teach us, you know. Oh, well, this is good and this is bad. This is right. And this is wrong. And suddenly these natural impulses that we all feel as a, as a human animal. You know, that really this physical body is, we're part of all of nature becomes shamed and goes into the shadows and we hate and loathe those parts of ourselves. So I feel that the owning of those natural parts of ourselves is a, is a practice of cultivation that, you know, for me, it's, it's always this reminder that I am not this body, you know, but I can't have this experience. I couldn't be here in Bali, you know, eating beautiful papayas and touching you and making love if I didn't have it, you know, so it's like, you know, to love my piece of the real estate, you know, and that's what I really teach people is to love your piece of real estate that you. That's the only thing really you have control over, you know, in this, in this world that we're living in, you know, that our consciousness is existing inside this physical form and what an absolute gift and miracle it is to have, have this, you know, like it, you know, just even sort of looking at the, the mathematics of it, of, of how this could all be possible, you know, to have to, to have consciousness and have a human body. That to me is like, I can wake up every day and just be excited about that miracle of like, wow, you know, another day to experience all this and, and so, you know, like a lot of the yoga practices which are practicing this um uh detachment in some ways, you know, because they're all kind of focused on this ascension going up. I love the trick path, which is more the descent of going into the body and finding the codes for evolution and the codes for enlightenment in the body. And that's what I really, you know, love to teach and love to embody and, and uh you know, in practice and I feel like since we've gone through the industrial revolution and there's been so much propaganda to especially, I mean, it affects men as well, but it really affects women and young girls um that they're not good enough because people, when they feel good about enough about themselves, they're not going to be going, spending the however much it costs to have a boob job, they're not gonna be going and spending however much it costs to go and have a, a, you know, a designer g they're not gonna go and spend the money to, you know, go and Botox their face or, you know, all these things that are industries now that are capitalizing on people not feeling good about their piece of real estate. And, you know, 90% of those people who do, do a lot of those stuff to themselves, they haven't really found the happiness. They are not the self love, you know, like, oh, now I look like so beautiful is still not there. It's because it's, it's something that we need to, to, to, to strip away the conditioning, bust through the conditioning to come back to our original essence. You know, and for me, I've spent a lot of time with um indigenous people and, you know, and I lived in Africa for a whole year and uh in a, in a village with my two Children when they were very young. And it was just like one of the most exquisite, amazing adventures of my life to be in this African village. We lived in a hut. I had to go to the well to get my water. Um, you know, and there was no mirrors and funnily enough. I had shaved my hair before I left Australia. And then we had traveled around to Asia and then we got to um Africa and so my hair was like growing in, in Africa, but we were in this African village with no mirrors. And it was amazing because, you know, when I, and it was it was back in the day, like pre digital that we didn't have cameras and phones, we had like film, you know, cameras with film and you had to develop the photos after and when I see the photos of me in Africa with this like Ronald mcdonald hair, do you know, and I felt great because I got no mirrors, you know, I was like to my partner, why didn't you tell me to put on a scarf or something? I was like little afro, you know, that grew out because my hair really curly. But it, it taught me that, you know, this, this constant, you know, judging ourselves by what we see. And then we've had images implanted into our consciousness, you know, Bill magazines, TV, movies, you know, it's just constantly bombarded of this is what's good and this, you know, and whereas like in these indigenous places where I've spent time where there's like none of that, it's all about the feeling. You know, it's all about how you feel about yourself and, you know, finding that joy of joy to Vira inside yourself where you can just like bound out of bed and have that, that same kind of energy that you had when you were a little kid. So and so, um to someone listening and I love so many of the pieces you're seeing, especially when you said about the design agin, it's perfect. It's so tacky. Oh my God. Like you know, I watched, I watched a documentary on this young girl who was 18 years old going in for, uh, you know, her labia to be cut and trimmed, you know. And, I mean, we were all like, ah, you know, like, so incredibly painful to watch and I think a lot of that has come about one, it's the industry that's making a billion dollars from it. And two because of the pornography industry, which, you know, shows one type of vagina and a lot of time it's photo shopped and, you know, then, and, and also the, the waxing, you know, that now we have, you know, we, we see it a lot more than we used to. So, you know, it's like before it was just like, yeah, that's just my vagina. You know, that's what mine looks like. Yours look like. You know, we didn't really like guys, you more see your genitals and, you know, compare them or whatever for girls. It was just, you know, you really see it so much, but now we're seeing so much more of it. And so this thing for young girls, it's one more thing of like, oh mine doesn't look like that and, you know, then, then come da da, da da to the solution while we have, you know, this new operation that can make you look like everybody else's and I just like, there's so many nerve endings that get caught and, you know, it's it's the same with the breast. It's like, you know, when, when, when I've lived in, in indigenous cultures where it's perfectly normal to be bare, bare breasted. Like even here in Bali, only, you know, 10 years ago, women were just all bare breasted. You'd see them all naked in the streams, just, you know, washing and bare breasted and the women walking around, they used to go to temple, bare breasted and, you know, and the breasts like Tahiti. When I was in Tahiti, the women are beautiful and bare breasted, brown, beautiful bodies. And you know, this is the part of the female body that is the, you know, behind the breast is the the radiant positive pole of the feminine heart. And this is what I feel. The world is longing for, aching for, starving for, you know, is this is this radiance of the feminine heart and the breasts they represent like this, this mammy, you know, our mammal part of ourselves of like they're filled with milk, you know, milk, the sweetness of mother's milk. You know, that's what they're there for, you know, is to feed and uh all of humanity, you know, has suckled at the breast of the woman. And then it became, you know, when it became like hidden and tucked away, it's like now they're getting bigger and bigger underneath the veil, you know, like ridiculously, you know, oversized and yet you still can't like just be seeing the natural beauty of it and it becomes so sexualized. And, you know, even people saying, you know, oh, breastfeeding, you're not allowed to, you know, be seen. Breastfeeding is vulgar or something like that. But it's OK to wear, you know, a little triangle on these tits that are out to here, you know, that's OK. And it's like, what, what have we done, you know, instead of like just coming back to this naturalization and de sexualization of just, you know, for women to we are sexual, we're like a flower, you know, we, we're flowers, women are flowers and, and so you don't need to do anything, you know, you just need to be. It's like, you know, like the, the, the rose doesn't, you know, shove itself in your face going smell me, smell me, you know, you know, and open its petals. It's just, you know, it just naturally opens when it opens its fragrance naturally exudes when it exudes and you are naturally attracted to it because it's beautiful, you know, and so I, I use that metaphor a lot with my women's work because um you know, this industry and living in a patriarchy that has pitted women against each other and the jealousy and all this sort of stuff. It, it has made women not feel good about the flower that they are and each one is unique and just the same as if I had a, you know, orange daffodil, you know, and if that Daffodil was like, jeez, I really wish I was a red rose. Well, its blueprint is, it's a daffodil. It's going to be an orange daffodil and it does that with all its full power. You know, it doesn't like, hide itself away and try and dye itself at the end is red, you know, to be a bit of a red rose when, you know, it really wants to be a red rose, but it's a daffodil is like, no, it just, it just is itself. And so the more I feel women can, can own that own their flower, you know, and their flowering, you know, that everyone's opening and blossoming and you can't force that to happen. It's just, it's all happening, you know, organically, we're all in this process of life together. Um And that self love piece is so key, you know, to own your own fragrance, to own your own uniqueness, to own your own beauty and to know that it's all so temporary, you know, it's like this too shall pass. You know, it's, it's uh you know, so the attachment to the physical body is just like no, just just really love and honor it as a temple. You know, that can take you has the potential to take you to these incredible um altered states of being where you experience expanded states of reality through the body, you know, while being in the body and the marriage of then matter and, and the, you know, the un manifested world is like, that's when the real magic can happen. You know, I love so much what you're sharing and, and you know, especially this piece of just a being, knowing its natural, inherent beauty. And, you know, I love this analogy of like an acorn. It's like an acorn inside that little seed has a capacity to be a mighty oak. And yet the seed inside of that is the flowering. And you know, I, I think that can understand in the mind, we can understand it philosophically but yet still there's so much of this culture that's trying to, you know, gain revenue and gain income and all of the stuff around comparison. So to like that 18 year old girl or two, like I look at my niece and nephew and they're 16 and 18 and like they're just being, I'd be crazy to grow up now with social media and all these different pieces and just being inundated with constant body comparison. So what would it like? What would you say to some of them to remember that naturalness and not to not compare to. It's like we can't not do something that's happening all around us but to come back into that naturalness and until like remember their own beauty and their own uniqueness come to Bali and yeah. Yeah. No. Um spend, you know, because my, what I love about being here is to be able to take people into nature. And, you know, you're using the metaphor of the acorn. You know, I use the metaphor with the seeds as well. And you know, we, we plant those seeds because it's like the, the acorn has the potential to turn into the oak tree. But if it's not given the right conditions, it remains a seed, you know, it, it will never, you know, it has to be given the right conditions. So it's the same with our human potential. We all have a seed of light inside of us, you know, and we all have that naturalness to, to, to come back to and that, you know, expanded wise consciousness to come into. But if we're not given the right conditions, it never germinates, you know, and then as we get older, you know, just like those seeds, it starts to lose the viability until it dies, you know, without ever reaching its full potential. So giving like for me as a human being, um I, I die if I don't get my time in nature, and I feel that, you know, again, through the patriarchy, through the, you know, severing of our connection to the earth and to, to our pagan rituals and ceremonies that allowed us to go into these um altered states of consciousness, which we, we as a human being, we've evolved over, you know, millions and millions of years to get to where we are now. And there's certain things in our biology that we, we long to experience. And, and so by, by attending those kinds of rituals and those kinds of things, we allow ourselves to drop into that part of ourselves. And even if it's, you know, like if you're young and, and, and, and living in the world, even going out into nature and just spending time, you know, by uh a flowing stream or a powering waterfall or sit with a giant tree and feel the energy and feel that you are not separate from that, you know, and so just the same as you would look at, you know, this incredible crooked, gnarled, amazing tree you would not go oh That's not perfect. Oh, it should be straighter on this side. Oh, I wish it was a little, it's like, no, you accept it. So in that accepting of the nature, come back again and again, pulling it in to accept your own true nature, you know, your own nature is, is that it's the same and the, the flowing of the stream, you know, it's like, you know, I'm, I'm starting to get these veins like my, like my grandma, my grandson was like playing with them the other day and it's like, you know, they're just like rivers. It's like, you know, our, our body is a, is a microcosm of the macrocosm. You know, we are 75% to 80% water. The planet is 75 to 80% water. You know, our tears are exactly the same as the ocean. You know, the salt that's ma is in the ocean. Our tears are the, are the same, the micro minerals in the earth. We have the same micro minerals in our body, you know. So I always come back to her, to her being Gaia as, as my greatest teacher, as my greatest metaphor for how to come back into balance. We don't need to look further than, you know, our own backyards and just, you know, get your face down there in the dirt and have a good smell of it and you know, get your hands in the earth and you get, you know, yeah, I feel that, you know, and it's essential for me. It's like it's a sensual, the earth is just constantly making love. You know, it's like all of this blossoming and blooming and beauty is all because the creatures are just constantly making love, you know, like the sound even of the cicadas. You know that we here in Bali, we have these cicadas and I know in, in, in Canada where I grew up um when I was young, we used to go up to the lake and the Cicadas in the, in the, in the summer time because you know that high fre high pitched frequency is just like so intense because they spend nine months in the ground in the process of like of a you know, a larva stage, they come out of the earth and they have 24 hours to find a new mate. So that song that they're singing is just here I am, baby come and get me. We got 20 you know how to keep this cycle it. And that frequency for us as humans if we tune in and like, I love doing meditations and just focusing on that sound, that frequency and it, it awakens in me of like, yeah, this is natural. This is, this is, this is normal, this is like so good, you know, and II I think like what we're seeing in the world is because we tried through our religions and conditioning and everything to repress the lower three chakras, you know, and these primal urges of, of us as you know, a human animal and be all spiritual up here. But like, forget that we have this animal part nature to us. We've created this dark shadow because it's the most potent and powerful energy we have on the planet and you can't get rid of energy, you know, we, we can't get rid of that. It's, it's so it just goes deeper and deeper into the shadows. And so, you know, for me seeing this expose of what's going on with the pedophilia and things like this, you don't get further away from, you know, like what our true nature is. You know, we're supposed to take care of the Children we're supposed to take care of and, and watch them grow and, and celebrate their beauty, not take advantage of their innocence and their, their sweetness. You know, and, and for me, that just is like the deepest shadow of our sexuality that is being exposed because we've tried to repress this natural energy instead of owning it. And that's part of the self love piece is just saying, you know, I'm a human being with all of this inside of me, you know, the, the, the killer instinct of the, you know, the animal, the lion, the the, you know, the protector, the fierce protector mother, that's gonna protect her, her, her cubs or her, her turf, you know, territorial. And then we've been given this awareness, you know, this self awareness that that other creatures don't really have like an elephant probably doesn't, you know, question whether it's an elephant or whether it's, you know, am I a male elephant or transgender? Maybe I should change my myself, you know, and they have my identity crisis. This is like, you know, it just, it just is, you know, it just is whereas human beings, we have this self awareness piece, you know, which I feel, you know, through the self love. We can, I, we can, we can come into tune with this self awareness of like who am I, you know, keep asking that question, who am I really, you know, and then, you know, I would ever trying to answer the question. We, we, we come to this realization that, you know, it's all just maya, it's all just a game and this body is just in the game. You know, it's part of the manifested world, but it's not the truth of who we are. So how do we enjoy it? How do we um be in gratitude, you know, like being in deep gratitude for being given this body. So I always do practices and self practices that are like, oh, thank you so much and you work so hard and you, you do so much and you're digesting my papaya. I ate from my tree that I planted this morning and you're, you know, doing all these things while I'm doing all these other things and, and you just keep me going and keep me alive so I can keep on experiencing life, keep on sharing my gifts, keep on meeting beautiful people and you know that it, it, it's a way for me, it's been my path to, to stay in a state of, of gratitude. And, and I really did learn that in, in Africa. Like, you know, so so many lessons I learned from my times that I spent there. I had like a 17 year love affair with Africa and, you know, teaching African dance and you know, and the way they play with their sexuality and the sex, you know, it's, it's so much fun like it's just so, so playful and joyful and, you know, there's just like, like in the village, it's just like this playful, joyful thing that, you know, everybody does and knows about and there's no shame or guilt or whatever. It's just like, yeah, that's what we do, you know, and owning it. So there's an ownership. So it's like connected to their, their link, but they're not the in between part is missing and this connection of the heart is missing, which really is a tactile feeling, you know, connecting to all of our body, you know, like feeling all of it. So yes, we can use this, this technology to communicate and reach, you know, so many people, I mean, here we are in Bali and, you know, maybe you're in California, New York or Australia or China or Japan or wherever, you know, on the planet. I mean, it, it is pretty uh a unique time in history where we can communicate um on this medium like that, you know, but it's got huge uh potential for being taken advantage of that. We have to use our self awareness then to catch ourselves, especially with going into the addiction. So um one of the things I got told uh by my guidance, higher Guide was, was about 11 years ago, I was teaching at the Tter Festival in Thailand and I um was hosting AAA week long men and women's uh retreat called The Ultimate Journey. And the ultimate journey is like 12 inches. It's from here to here. It takes a long, a whole lifetime to get there sometimes. But, you know, it's the, that's the ultimate journey. And um and I woke up in the middle of the night and I was receiving this download about um the powers that be were going to be using. Uh you know, there were uh impulses coming from the grand central sun to the earth to uh awaken our consciousness that this is how our consciousness evolves. And that's why you don't find in the earth. You know, like in archaeology, you don't find it in the bones. Like, you know, the transition that we've made as, as hominids, you know, you don't find these transitions in archaeology, there's like gaps and suddenly we're, you know, we look different and the brain is different because it's coming from these explosions, you know that, you know, what is an explosion on the sun? It's a nuclear sun is a nuclear reactor. So what happens to a woman if she's too close to a nuclear explosion? And she's pregnant, the baby is born deformed, right? Because it's too close. The mutation, the DNA happens too close. But these nuclear waves that come, you know, is like comes from so far away, light years away into our field and it shifts and changes the consciousness and as the consciousness changes, the physical form starts to evolve and change as well, like our jaws are smaller because we're not tearing into, you know, meat and eating with their hand. You know, it's like things start to evolve and change. So I was told that as these impulses were coming at this particular time right now, the powers that do not want us to evolve uh would use our sexual energy to keep us locked down in third dimensional reality. Because if you have an addiction, you're stuck in third dimensional reality. And that can be addiction to sugar. It can be a addiction to our phones. It can be addiction to um chemical substances. It can be addiction to porn. It can be, you know, there's many, many addictions like they used the best of the minds to, you know, study the human being not to better us, but to control and manipulate us. Like they know every nuance of every point on the tongue of how many, you know, times a child needs to have this type of sugar or chemical for it to be an addict to that. And then they place it on the supermarket at this level and then the poor mother trying to shop with this little addict basically, you know, that sees all that stuff. I want it. I want, hey, just give it to them, you know, and so addiction keeps us locked down. And so our uh work I feel is to be the one who we are in control of our own addictions. You know, and, and, and reclaiming the naturalness of our sexuality without going into the addiction of it. Um so that we then bring that higher consciousness of what our sexuality can actually be used for healing. You know, the body can use to heal traumas from the past. I mean, I'm sure, you know, as, as a, you know, doing this work that how, how powerful it can be to use that energy for healing, you know, and to use that, that energy for awakening our consciousness, not for making us into, you know, desire slaves, you know, where, then we just become another addiction and we're stuck in that, in that that loop and then funnily enough that, that retreat, you know, I do a lot of movement in my retreats, you know, I'm all about embodiment and dance and then a lot of mo moving practices. And I turned up and I had a guy who had no legs. Um he had had an accident where was a war veteran and had lost both his legs and a woman who was missing one of her leg and half of her other foot. So, you know, throwing the dance out the window and just kind of going. Ok, well, how are we gonna do? You know, and it was really, really potent. It was so powerful. It was such a gift for me as a facilitator because you know, the man had to like get down because wearing her prosthetic leg really caused her a lot of pain. Um, so she, you know, I said, just take it off then, you know, if it's hurting you, like, you know, that's the other thing. It's like if things aren't comfortable, like, take, take it off. Yeah. Don't do it. You know. So, so she took it off, which meant that she was sitting down on the ground and so the men had to come down to her to share with her and the heart opening like she was such an open and beautiful woman and, and she, she had owned her beauty, it didn't matter, she was missing a leg, you know, she, she had owned her beauty and she was so beautiful, like her heart was so beautiful that every man cried when they had to come and like be with her. You know, and every woman cried when they had to come and be with this man and the brothers too, you know, they, they, we had a section with the brothers and the women working together and they had to pick him up. And you know, it was like this moment when the men like reached down and grabbed their brother and he was part of the circle. And you know, there's this man with like no legs in the circle from war, you know, like his legs are missing from war. It's like this is the power of love and this is the power of war. And you know, like if we wanna stop it on this planet, we have to own our all of it. You know, we gotta own all of our shadows, we gotta own all our sexuality, we gotta own all of our shadow parts that we don't like about ourselves. Because if we don't love ourselves, don't expect someone else to love. You don't expect the the world to reflect love back to you. You know, because we are just in a hologram, you know, we're seeing what is reflected back to us. So, so the more we own that part of ourselves, you know, which nine out of 10 times of my clients, it's the inner child, you know, and the inner child, you know, if for those of you who have Children, if you don't tend to them, they wreak havoc in the background until they get your attention, you know, and when they, you give them, you know, your, your attention and what is it that you need? What is it that you want? Maybe they don't feel safe, maybe they don't feel loved, maybe they didn't get told as Children, you know, that they were beautiful just as as they are. Um you know, maybe they weren't encouraged to follow their dreams, whatever that is. But now as the adult, you can do that for the little one so you can pick that little him or her up and you know, give them everything they need. Tell them, they're beautiful and then their joy kicks in and they're like, yeah, dance in the rain and let's go and, you know, make friends with people and, you know, it's like, usually that's, that's what opens up. So, yeah. Yeah. And one of the things I hear you sharing that, that I, I love is like utilizing the world as this reflective reality to, to love all the things that we're seeing on the outside. And that, you know, for me, I feel like is one of the biggest catalyst to actually learning self love because I used to love being in a relationship and giving all of my love to her. And I have all the love I want to give to her. But then actually inside, there was a part of me that was feeling unno and unloved because I just wanted to love everyone. I wanted to give and give and give, but to actually like receive and to receive love. I know in a mailbox, like that's been a challenging place. And that has been one of the biggest things with self love is to like, wow, to see that person, I'm judging. Where can I love that part inside of me and that person that I'm putting on a pedestal, where can I love that part inside of me and like so loving it here so that the actual heart begins to, to open. And I love this, this analogy you put between the heart and there and you know what I often share as a background as a navigator and operating chips. It's like on a, on a ship, you have a co navigator and a navigator. And for most people, the mind is the navigator. And so we're shifting this dynamic. So the heart becomes a navigator. The mind is this assimilating information machine that can actually support the heart to open more. And then it's like, OK, I'm singing. Wow, I'm really here. Where can I love that here so that I can exude more of this love inside this temple and, and be more of what I wanna be in the world, not what I don't want to be, you know. Yeah, totally beautiful. And, and, you know, it's, it's funny because uh I'm also a Hawaiian practitioner. That's my body work. I came to that then took me like into the whole t field. And, and in the Hawaiian philosophy, this is called your, you know, your guts. So we always say, you know, follow your guts, listen to your gut, listen to your gut intuition and in, in Hawaiian. So the the heart is called the um Aloha Kane or your spirit of your heart. And the mind is called the Pillich, you know, which is like um trauma and drama, you know, because it's just looping in the mind, you know. And so what I I learned through that study is that all trauma is just get stuck in the tissues and it's not in the event, but our find loops in the event. So that's where the embodiment piece is so important to give us space to move and to release and to breathe into those places that were traumatized and then to come back to trusting our na or trusting our gut intuition and they trust that above the heart because even the heart, you know, we have our heart strings and our empathy and our, you know, might pull you this way and that way. But when it comes the decisions, you know, for your highest good, if we just realize that the body is life affirming, you know, the body will always choose what's good for it. We didn't become a super species on the planet by, you know, not caring for this body. You know, it's like we were in tune with the body, like the animals were in tune with their bodies, you know, and then we, you know, been separated from that being in alignment and in tune with what's good for that path, you know, for and trusting our body. So, um especially for women like having a womb and this is what I teach with the wild women awakening is, you know, the womb is, is this portal that all life is created in. And, and so, you know, the the the whole loving your body as a temple, like we were talking about the the temples and here in Bali, you know, we have temples everywhere. Um When you go into the temple, you take off your shoes, you dress a certain way. You know, you bring offerings. It's like, it's a whole experience in coming into the temple and it's different than in the everyday life. And so that's the way I like to teach, you know, the, the around our sexuality and especially for women and young girls, you know, especially in this day and age where so much is pointing towards them, just like, oh, you know, I can like have 10 lovers and you know, and, and is that really serving the radiance of your womb? And you know, are those partners that you're choosing to engage with? I mean, that's OK. But are you, you know, are they taking their shoes off at the temple door? Are they honoring you? Are you honoring yourself? Is that an honoring, you know, to the radiance of your heart? Because again, this feminine heart, this radiant heart, you know, so that's what everybody is longing for, to feel in the world. And so this connection between the womb and the heart and listening deeply listening to your womb. I mean, it's like if you think of it, you know, your mother grew you inside her womb inside her body, you know, and she didn't have to think, you know, ok, today we're making his hair red and, and we're, you know, going eyes today and oh, we gotta make a good brain and you know, we're growing arms and hearts and livers in this complexity of a human being. She might have been watching TV, or shopping or driving the car or whatever. And the intelligence of her body grew us, right? So, so if, if the universe and, and, and trusted women to grow all of life, why do we not trust our own body when we gotta make a little decision, you know, when she says no, why do we not? Why do we question that? You know, it's like, it's very clear, you know, or when she says yes, we can trust that, you know, because it's like the body is life affirming. And so that that coming home again and again and again to that, you know, how, how um we have all the answers inside our body. We have all the light inside our body. We have all the love inside our body. We have all the nurturing inside our body. And it's just getting this mind back in alignment with the heart, with the womb, with the genitals, with the feet, the earth, you know, so that laying down on the earth and just saying, yes, mother, I'm part of you. You are part of me. I'm part of you. Let's dance together, dance together. I, I love the, the analogy of all the alignment and that and, and I feel, you know, one of the reasons for creating this symposium was to really like, give people a healthy, you know, example of a lot of different women, you know, one of, of many incredible speakers to me in here of what can healthy, like feminine leadership look look like. And you know, the world we're in right now. I think we've seen a lot of examples of unhealthy masculine leadership and a lot of examples of women, women and female bodies trying to lead in their masculinity, which is unhealthy as well. So like the, the vision with this is OK as, as people come together and there can be a healthy expression of feminine leadership integrated inside, attuned to their womb, receptive in their body. Like what, what's, what's the, the world that you kind of envision? And if, if that actually can be the case and, and women, especially female bodies, because I, as a man, I look at female bodies to like my own inner feminine, like I want a healthy transmission of feminine leadership, you know, and I'm like selfishly getting that through all these interviews and all these conversations. It's great, you know, and I received that so much from my own beloved as well. But like that's the the world I'm longing for where that feminine wisdom and, and leadership is, is shifted from a masculine energy and that's like a live inside of business inside of creation inside of all of that. So like, what's your like, what's that world that you? Yeah. I mean, you're, you're wanting or some of your two. Well, you know, like, even when I've, when I've had the, you know, when I'm doing my work and especially if I, I'm in a circle of, like, naked women, like, there's nowhere better than to be, you know, I, I'm sure you wish you could be a fly on the wall of those ones, you know, but just to look around and, you know, for me, it's just like this fragrance of a bouquet of flowers of, you know, all the different flowers and you get a group of sisters together and magic just happens. It's like we, we, you know, and you bring one man into the equation because, you know, my, my trainings are for women and men. And quite often I've had all women like 24 women and one man, you know, and always milk that one masculine, you know, that one man there, but women behave differently even when there's one man present. It's like, you know, this again, this conditioning, you know, and, and, and what happens, but you put a group of women together, you know, and when they're really in their hearts and they're really done some work and they're in their bodies and there's this, you know, uh lack of, of competition and comparison. It's just amazing and phenomenal what can happen. And I feel that because whether women choose to have Children or not, you know, but we have the ability to birth Children that we're wired for, you know, looking after and nurturing and for the, for the highest good, you know, we want for our Children, for the highest good. And so um when women fully own this aspect of, you know, these two polarities of the masculine, the feminine and women are allowed to be into like making a decision of what's for the highest good. It's not this greedy, you know, like at the top, looking after myself only, it's, it's, you know, what is for the highest good. And you and the co creation, like when women can co create really easily together, we can, we can move mountains and we can totally turn this world around because we are 51% of the population. So, and I feel that, you know, like when we look at the um archetypes of all the different goddesses and we see the, the goddess Collie that has been so feared and revered, you know, and, you know, in the Indian pantheon she's pictured, you know, she's chopped off a man's head, it's dripping with blood. She's wearing skull. She's standing on a ba, I mean, it's just like, who is Callie? You know, and yet she is like, she's off the head of ignorance and she, she's, she's like, not afraid of death and she's not, she's fierce, you know. And so women have that, I mean, every man who's been with a beloved has seen that surely, at least, you know, once or twice. And that, that energy is, is also like that fierceness when women rise up together and you see it, you know, when there's been marches and protests in the Me Too movement and things when women fully rise up and they're feminine, they're in their feminine, but they're that fierce Kli of no more. We are not gonna tolerate this any longer, you know, and that's like is coming from a place of, you know, we're gonna turn this thing around where all the men and the little boys are gonna get their needs met and we are not going to have this happening anymore. You know, it's super powerful and then when you know that masculine that can stand in the face of Collie and penetrate her heart again to bring her back to her heart in the bag of vegeta as she turns from like the wrath of Collie to, to uh Pavitra, you know, and the consort and this beauty and this nature and this dancing woman and you know, and, and we bring that forth. And so even seeing in the corporate world when women come and they, you know, like bring their sexuality and don't dress like a man like wearing suits and look like men, you know, it's like, well you just donned the masculine mask. It's like no, bring in the beauty. How do we create beauty in this world? We have to have the feminine and the masculine imbalance. And I feel like because for 2000 years we've had this imbalance, you know, and now it's slowly women are starting to awaken and the feminine inside of the, of men is starting to awaken because that's the thing that we need to um clarify and be really honest about is that when the repression of the feminine happened, it's not just women, it's the repression of the feminine. So when you're painting, when you're making love, when you're playing the guitar, you know, that's Shakti moving through, that's the feminine energy moving through you. And that was repressed for men and for women and that has been missing in our world, that feminine. And so we've been uh you know, in a, if you, if you're in a boat and you only have one or, you know, and it's the masculine ore, then you're, you know, you're gonna go round and round in circles until you're finally gonna, you know, spiral downward. Yeah, we're not getting anywhere, you know. So, so when we bring this feminine or back in, you know, it's, it's gotta, it's gotta be balanced to what that masculine or is. And that's what I love about tantra of those two principles of shakti is this life force energy. You know, it's, it's the manifested world. It's, it's like life force energy and trees don't grow in straight lines. So even our, you know, the masculine of like longing to control because the masculine is like this, this Shiva presence is this pure presence of the, of the self, you know, but then it, it wants to control this shakti. You know, that can be chaotic, absolute chaos. You know, because she might change her mind and make a big change all of a sudden which, you know, if you're in the structure that we've created in the world that doesn't go down so well, you know, no, suddenly this is not working, we're gonna change everything because she can see that this is what's needed and suddenly a tsunami comes through and it destroys everything and it, you know, but it brings new life. Cali always brings new life. The bushfire rages through and the new life comes, you know, and so we have to be ok with the not knowing which is what humans don't like. And the masculine, the distorted masculine has also like, wants to have that control all the time, the control, control, control and not be in this like, you know, chaotic, feminine energy. But if we can trust it again, like when we look at nature, we see plants, you know, find their way and, you know, even the, the from the masculine scientific point of view, they're competing for light. No, they're not, they're harmoniously, you know, all growing together. You know, it's like, look at it differently. It's like, but, you know, each thing is getting its needs met and finding its way and finds a place and, you know, and swirling around and there's space and room for everything and for everyone. And then we create a forest and the forest is like the most beautiful example of, of the wild untamed feminine and, and, um, you know, what are we doing to the forest right now? We're chopping the forest down and burning them and, you know, to grow mono crops, you know, and that's not nature is, you know, that's controlling the feminine. So I always see the metaphor of like what's happening to the, to what has happened to the feminine and what is happening on the earth. They, you know, they're synonymous. So even we see the, you know, the huge problem we have here in Bollywood plastic and the waterways and you know, the waterways, the water, the waters, you know, the water is the womb is the second chakra. So when the waterways get clogged with plastic because we don't care. It's like, ok, women, where are we not caring about ourselves? Our bodies, you know that no, we're not gonna tolerate this. We're gonna, you know, rise up and protest that we're not allowed to produce this stuff anymore. You know, it's like this explosion that just happened in, in Beirut that killed all those people. It was a fertilized, well, fertilizer, fertile. If something explodes like that, what the hell are we doing? Putting it on our food? You know, like to grow food, like it's totally toxic and should never been created. Allowed. And that again is coming from that distorted control instead of going back to the roots, you know, going back and that, that root has to have the feminine, the masculine there, you know, and then we can fly, then we can like, you know, go forward when we have these two um elements in, in, in balance. So that's my greatest dream and desire, you know, like to, to do that. I do it in my own little way in my own little world. But um yeah, to see it on a grander much grander scale, that's always been a dream. I'm a blue planetary storm in the, in the Mayan calendar. So ever since I was a little girl, I've always gone from, you know, the microcosm to looking at the macrocosm, the microcosm, the macro with everything. So, you know, I mean, when you think of it here, we are on this little tiny speck, you know, hurtling through this vast universe at 800 kilometers per hour, you know, it was like, come on really like, you know, so change is inevitable. Struggle is the option. And uh I feel change is, you know, it's, it's just upon us, it's imminent. And I've been doing this work for 30 years when I first started doing the women's retreats in Australia. You know, a lot of people think, oh, well, like, and her woo woo stuff, you know. And now it's like so common, all this stuff. I'm like, oh yay finally, you know, I gave, gave birth to my second son in the water birth in the tepee, you know, and my mother thought I was like, they were gonna thank God I was in Australia, not in, in Canada. They would have sent around the, you know, the, the officials to come and grab me and put me in a looney looney tunes bin. You know, what is wrong with you? Birthing in a pool, you know, but now it's normal, right? So, so II I, I've seen those changes. I always tell my Children, you know, like, oh yeah, I come from an era when, you know, people would light up cigarettes on an airplane, like, you know, we don't do that anymore. So, you know, because we learned. So it's, it's, it's, it's like we are growing and evolving and changing and, you know, I feel like right now we're being squeezed with what's happening to really find that place inside ourselves, both men and women and to really um feel, you know, we gotta feel we gotta come back to feeling and all this, you know, social distancing and keeping us separate from each other. It's like, no, we need to, we need to not, you know, we need to come more into contact with each other and feel each other. So um yeah, that's, that's really what I believe and what I feel and what I teach and I'm looking forward to the symposium, which is gonna be a lot of fun. And thank you so much for inviting me to be part of it and be part of all these queens. And you, you're, you're doing great work in the world. And uh I'm, I'm excited to, to check out the workshop as well. The wild woman awakening is what mole you will be teaching in the symposium. And yeah, stepping into our full wildness and then I love all the pieces that you've been bringing today. And it's yeah, such a joy. The, the last thing if you had three like very simple, deliverable things for self love and loving the body temple. What are those three like nuggets in your back pocket to stand in front of the mirror and see all of yourself stand in front of the mirror naked and look at your body. And you know, if you've got a pet, have your pet nearby to look at your pet's body and all the love that you love on your pet doesn't matter if he's got floppy ears, big ears, losing his hair, whatever you love that animal and see yourself in that mirror and go wow, look at me this beautiful cat that I am, you know, and then run a hot bath, get into a hot bath and fill it with flower petals, get some rose petals and you know, just, just uh self, self massage, just come home into your body. Uh do a prayer of apology for the places in your body that you've judged as not being good enough. I, I do a lot of that in my, in my work and um to come home to listening to your body, you know, we, we read books to see what we want to eat these days. You know, it's like listen to your body, your body is like millions of years of evolution. All your ancestors don't read a book to ask your body what you want, what it needs to eat to be healthy. If you're, if you're sick at the moment, if you have a disease or something at the moment, really ask your body. OK, what do I need and then be willing to give it to her, embodied awakening. I love it. I love it. Bodied awakening. Yes. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for all the wisdom and gifts and the work you've been doing for so long and sharing with people to, to wake them up. So amazing woman, come check her out, links all kinds of things below and thank you for being with us and we'll see you next time. Yes. Thank you.